Hey All,

What are the chances of BKC starting a TAG class (non Rotex) I've been doing some research on those new SQ Evolution Chinese knock off's. You can pick one up from Enzo in Canada, Mississauga, Ontario for around $3300 bucks. Not a bad price to compete in an $8000 plus Italian class. I'd be game for 2 people and my brother would be game for 1-2 people in the 15 plus class.

Just a thought to put some life back into 2-cycle racing at Batavia.

David

what engine would the class run?

It's a 125cc, identical to the Pirelli. Do a google search on SQ Evolution Karts (I can not do an attachment). I've talked to Enzo and Carlos, both partners in the developement of the chassis and motor. The initial testing was very positive. They are competing 4 of them this week at Shannanville in Ontario.

Whether a sales pitch or not, he told me some of the top notch national caliber drivers that tested it this past weekend prefered the chassis over their CRS's.

Everything I've read is pretty exciting, something Karting has needed to get it going again.

My $02


David

For $3300 you can get a stock moto setup and be able to shift! Plus less maintenance than a TAG motor.

Mike,
The engine Dave speaks of comes w/a free chassis.
Dave Evans

David, if you can get a few of your pals to bring a few tag karts we will create a tag class and work out the rule package as we learn more.

Got it now Dave
I would still rather see an expansion of the shifter class with a national type motor.
My2cts

Here you go

click here for SQ motorsports

Now I'm looking for the Harbor Freight logo on it

I guess you guys don't share or see the excitement I do with this class and kart potential. Sure the ultimate would be a shifter class but I don't see that happening for a competitive turn key package for $3300 bucks.
Karting needs something like this to get it going again especially in the 2-cycle class. From what I've read people spend that and some on a 4 stroker package.

Any how just wanted to share this with you guys. I think in another year you will see a lot of this kart and motor. I don't see how it can miss especially with the guys looking to get into karting like myself that want the excitement of a 20+ horsepower package.

Oh ya, and thanks for your replys and opinians

David

For my two cents I think the shifter class on a national level is dwindling. tag is the future for two stoke racing. Having said that I think the two strokes days are limited with emission laws. David I feel your passion but if there is no one willing to spend the bucks to buy the equipment there will be nobody to race. Four stroke racing is very affordable expecially a class like world formula. From engines to tire use the class is a very big bang for the buck especially at the club level. The competition is very tight.
The thing that bothers me is we have heard talk of all the tag karts that want to race but we have never seen them show up on race day. In a few weeks the folks from Cherry Valley are comming to race at Batavia. They run two strokes and we will see what it takes to run them.

Show us the potential then. All I see is the same thing we have with a 2 stroke engine. How reliable are these engines? What maintenance does a 2 stroke need? Are parts easily available for these clones. The engine is $700 more than a WF. You could put a WF on their roller for $2999 and race sunday or try to build a whole new class and race eventualy. Don't take this the wrong way I want to see as many karts at the track as possible, I'm not apposed to this. Creating a new class may work but we already have a budget minded class that is highly competative.

One more thing to research is exactly what chromoly tubing is used in the construction of the SQ chassis? It isn't noted on the site. I'm sure the chassis handles just as good as others (in the short term) since the design is really no different; but how does is hold up to multiple seasons of use? Most national caliber racers replace even their high quality frames after 1/2 season because they are womped and no longer respond to chassis adjustments like a "fresh" frame. Recreational racers usually hang onto their equipment much longer and want to purchase quality products that are built to last several seasons.
This is the appeal of the World formula, since several guys have gone 3 seasons with no teardown whatsoever and no noticeable loss in performance.

I understand your point with a budget highly competitive 4 cycle class. You guys are missing my point. I'm not trying to replace the F (4-stroke) class. My idea is to bring back the 2-cycle class. In my opinion you have a lot of guys, including myself that won't run a 4 stroke, therefore you’re not getting those guys to race at Batavia. I may be wrong but 2-cycle guys what to run only 2-cycle.

From what I'm told, a top end rebuild at the end of the season is in order or depending on the amount driven. I'm not saying this class is as cheep as the 4-cycle class but hey, if you want the speed and G-force it will cost a little more.

As for the SQ Kart quality, I guess you just have to talk to Enzo Chiovitti (the chassis designer) and Carlos Goncalves. These guy's are totally passionate about their endervor and just by the VIBE I got from them they are all about building the best package possible, period. If there is anyone as picky about quality, craftsmanship and attention to detail, I'm second to none.

Sure 2-cycle is a sensitive issue with the Greenbacks and EVO's, just tell then to go to Lancaster on a Friday night or see a stock car race, they will probably divert their attention to them instead of a few 125cc kart engines.
http://www.sqracing.com.au/article.html

This Enzo guy looks to me like he wants to build a serious Kart, check out his track. It's only 3 hours from here.
http://www.3sgokartsinternational.com/index.html

I hope you don't have the idea we thru all the two strokes out. I raced at batavia in the late sixties when all we ran were two strokes. When I returned in the early eightys the flat heads were just starting to get a foot hold. When I got my kids involved around 1994 there were only a few yamahas and four strokes. From then on most racers have chosen to race four strokes because of the competition factor and the reliability. You can run two karts for the expense of a front running two stroke.
The SQ kart is impressive looking and I would love to have a bunch running at Batavia. Like any new equipment in karting its going to take some time for racers to accept a lower budget peice of equipment. think this way, if you want to get into karting what are you going to buy? Equipment that lets you race with the majority or equipent that is blindingly fast but you drive around alone. That said, any and all kart combos are welcome to join us on race day. For a tag class to start a few racers will need to race on a weekly basis and build a folowing. Before you know it guys will be selling their karts to buy new faster karts.

I feel your passion for the 2 cycle motor. Just an FYI, the times of the 18-20 HP Yamaha kart compared to the 15 HP world formula is a few 10th of a second. Now if you take my 43 HP shifter you can $$$triple$$$ the price and go 2-3 seconds faster.

See what's it like to drive a shifter EKN topic

Or my personal comments:
It is like driving the fire breathing dragon!
I also drive a World Formula and find it good for keeping sharp on the art of smooth driving. It is easy to overdrive the shifter and get caught up in the acceleration and braking ability of it. Slower is faster when driving.

Watch the guys at the front, they usually look like there out for a Sunday drive. Then look a the mid packers and back markers, They are the ones riding the dragons!

Keep two karts

I know we would all love to see more people enjoying karting with us, whatever class it might be. Also, is this SQ kart on par speed wise with the other TAG"S? If it is that is great. Low cost and competitive!
If not you have just fractured the karting community by adding another (run this and only this) class. There is the easy kart class already, and creating more classes tends to confuse the new guy getting in and creates smaller class sizes overall.

Hay, I hope you get 20 of your buddies to buy and race these karts! The more the merrier!

Cherry Valley is a dealer for the TAG karts you are talking about.

Casey